Greetings to my fellow Canadian bettaholics, Was hoping that I could get some advice from you. I have fish coming from Vancouver to me in Calgary and was
wondering if anyone could recommend a shipping method. I just want the safest way to get them here. They're not being shipped until the end of May. So let me know!! Thanks so much, Ann Marie
Greetings to my fellow Canadian bettaholics,
Was hoping that I could get some advice from you. I have fish coming
from Vancouver to me in Calgary and was wondering if anyone could
recommend a shipping method. I just want the safest way to get them
here. They're not being shipped until the end of May. So let me know!!
Thanks so much,
Ann Marie
Hi Ian,
Not a problem.
Thanks,
Francis
--- In BettaBreedersCanada@..., "Ian" <ianturkstra@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Francis,
>
> Welcome to the BBC Group. However, our members have all switched
over
> to a forum format at
> http://z15.invisionfree.com/BettaBreedersCanada/index.php
>
> This forum has generally been well accepted as a better method to
> communicate. Would you be willing to head over there and repost
your
> question after joining (for free)?
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Ian
>
> --- In BettaBreedersCanada@..., "fmveloso" <fmveloso@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Not only am I new to this group, my interest in Betta fish is
also very
> > new. I only have 2 betta's at the moment. Does anyone in this
group
> > know where I might be able to purchase java moss and marimo balls
in
> > Canada? I have read that these plants are low maintenance and
ideal for
> > Betta fish.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Francis Veloso
> >
>
Hi Francis,
Welcome to the BBC Group. However, our members have all switched over
to a forum format at
http://z15.invisionfree.com/BettaBreedersCanada/index.php
This forum has generally been well accepted as a better method to
communicate. Would you be willing to head over there and repost your
question after joining (for free)?
Cheers,
-Ian
--- In BettaBreedersCanada@..., "fmveloso" <fmveloso@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> Not only am I new to this group, my interest in Betta fish is also very
> new. I only have 2 betta's at the moment. Does anyone in this group
> know where I might be able to purchase java moss and marimo balls in
> Canada? I have read that these plants are low maintenance and ideal for
> Betta fish.
>
> Thanks,
> Francis Veloso
>
Hi there,
Not only am I new to this group, my interest in Betta fish is also very
new. I only have 2 betta's at the moment. Does anyone in this group
know where I might be able to purchase java moss and marimo balls in
Canada? I have read that these plants are low maintenance and ideal for
Betta fish.
Thanks,
Francis Veloso
Hope no one minds but I've added the BBC banner and the new site link
to the description of the site. I have still been getting requests to
hoin the Yahoo Group and feel guilty that people are joining here only
to see that we ahve moved on to another site.
Also I haven't checked yet but is the IBC site updated with the new web
addy?
Jeff Gusso
Hi all, its Kevin from Canadianbettas.com
Now that school is approaching to an end, I will be breeding again
soon ^^, I haven't been active on any forums the past few months,
since I was concentrating on school hehee. I can't wait! I miss all
my bettas @ home !
Well folks, it looks like we have a new home! Zena has done an AMAZING
job putting together a fabulous site for our new home. Although this
group will still be around for a few months (gotta change contact info
with IBC) I encourage everyone to use the new site and refer others too
it. See you on the new board!
I agree, a threaded forum would be a great improvement.
The idea of creating a BBC website came up recently... Could we have a
forum working off of a main BBC site?
--- In BettaBreedersCanada@..., "Ashley" <ashleyrezka@...>
wrote:
>
> I agree! Yahoo is too hard to keep track of all the posts.
>
> --- In BettaBreedersCanada@..., "Zena" <zenafish@> wrote:
> >
> > Shall we move from this yahoo message group to an actual threaded
> > forum? It might look more professional and better organized.
> >
> > ~Zena.
> >
>
I agree! Yahoo is too hard to keep track of all the posts.
--- In BettaBreedersCanada@..., "Zena" <zenafish@...> wrote:
>
> Shall we move from this yahoo message group to an actual threaded
> forum? It might look more professional and better organized.
>
> ~Zena.
>
The compatibility pack by Microsoft that you had the link posted before
worked for me. I have Office 2003. This is the first time I'm able to
read a .docx file ever since its creation.
Stupid Microsoft :(
~Zena
--- In BettaBreedersCanada@..., Kim Wareing
<baycitybettas@...> wrote:
>
> I have uploaded a version for Microsoft "Works". I may be able to do
somthing to it to convert it to a jpeg... Let me work on that tonight.
> -Kim
>
> BayCityBettas <baycitybettas@...> wrote:
> Found some info at microsoft.com
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word/HA100444731033.aspx
>
>
>
>
>
>
> WWW.BAYCITYBETTAS.COM
>
Ya, regarding the balance of the anal fin on the other two... I forgot to tell you that unlike the red one which is full grown, the last two are only just about half size. Hopefully, they will achieve a better circle at full size.
The big red one should spawn today.
Thanks for your comments, Zena. You would make a good judge based on your evaluations of these fish.
Subject: [BettaBreedersCanada] Re: The dilemma on veiltail bettas
Thanks for the pics Tim. The red has the most stunning dorsal I've ever seen. Great intense color too! Great balance overall. I'm not into reds but man, I like that fish.
The other two also have great form and color. The only thing I'd work on is to balance out the anal fin with the rest of the finnage. It's a tat too long, just a tat.
How come my bettas hardly ever grow to that caliper?
~Zena.
--- In BettaBreedersCanada@yahoogroups.ca, "Ian" <ianturkstra@...> wrote: > > Hey Tim, can you send the pics to me too? Email addy should be at the > top of this email. thanks, > > Ian > > --- In BettaBreedersCanada@yahoogroups.ca, "Tim Arndt" <bettapapa@> > wrote: > > > > What is youe e-mail addy... I'll send them directly. > > Tim > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Zena > > To: BettaBreedersCanada@yahoogroups.ca > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:15 PM > > Subject: [BettaBreedersCanada] Re: The dilemma on veiltail bettas > > > > > > The pics aren't showing up in my browser! I want to see your fish, > > Tim... :'( > > > > I agree, a good HM is by FAR better than any VT, may the VT be the > > most perfect of its kind. Since VT was the starting point of HM > > development in betta history, it would be logical for HM to be the > > better specimen given the criteria is that "moon" balance. > > > > On the other hand, there are traits such as round or pin tails that > > may also be developed out of the same VT. It was just decided against > > when the first breeders made the selection of offsprings to breed > > back to. Similar to how we now have our crowntails. > > > > Look at guppy strains, other than the "delta" which is most people's > > aim (kinda like the halfmoon for bettas), breeders have come to > > develop and appreciate other strains like sword, swallow, ribbon, pin > > etc, not unlike the HM, CT, PK varieties that bettas have. > > > > And again, they all came from that same plain VT from the LFS (well, > > other than the PK of course). > > > > ~Zena. > > > > ps. Hey Tim...I really would like to meet you in person one day. > > When's the next time you'll be down in the Toronto area? Or better > > yet, would you wanna do a talk at the Kichener Waterloo fish club, > > maybe in November, when their feature show jar fish is anabantoids? > > > > --- In BettaBreedersCanada@yahoogroups.ca, "Tim Arndt" > > <bettapapa@> wrote: > > > > > > Hey Zena, > > > If it was your intention to stir up a reaction, you sure did with > > me... Veiltails just DON'T cut it!!! > > > Look at this red male... > > > I believe that he is the most magnificent betta that I have ever > > produced. He carries those full red fins perfectly. He's totally > > aggressive and challenges every male and female he encounters. There > > are no nicks or worn, rotted spots in his fins and he is full size. > > Veiltails just cannot compete with the symmetry, balance and > > deportment of this fish. The key is to breed HM's with good > > musculature and full swim bladders so they can carry the extra fin- > > weight. Here is another pic of him: > > > > > > > > > If that isn't enough proof, just look at this next fish... > > > > > > I call him a red/copper StarBurst! He is a featherfin. See the > > feathery extensions on his tail?... a coppery metallic ray leads out > > to the tip of almost every one! I hope to establish a line of this > > type. This points out another advantage of the halfmoon line... > > genetic plasticity... lots of variation in both colour and form which > > raises the possibility of new types coming along. > > > > > > > > > Would love to hear your comments and everyone else's on these two > > fish and my opinion. > > > Regards, > > > Tim > > > ps. here is another featherfin that I have right now : > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Zena > > > To: BettaBreedersCanada@yahoogroups.ca > > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:45 AM > > > Subject: [BettaBreedersCanada] The dilemma on veiltail bettas > > > > > > > > > I read recently (I think on the IBC forum) about people who > > disagree > > > with "halfmoon is the way to go for finnage". They believe that > > VTs also > > > have potential and can be worked with for color/pattern and > > balance. I > > > don't know about you, but I personally agree with them. How would > > a > > > balance VT be not better than a HM with such heavy finnage that > > he has > > > to drag himself around? > > > > > > Personally, I have nothing against VTs. If and when healthy, they > > can be > > > quite stunning a full of spunk. They also seem to have slightly > > more hardy > > > fins than halfmoons. I don't keep VTs anymore simply because > > they've > > > been stamped the "cheap" category, and "blah, who wants to put a > > $3 fish > > > from the petstore beside my $60 HM from Aquabid"...it's not fair > > really, but > > > I can't get out of that mentality :( It's me myself to blame... > > > > > > I'd like to hear anyone's opinion on this. For what it's worth, I > > think they > > > should get honorable mention just because I'd bet that's how > > everyone in > > > the betta hobby start out, it's that one little VT fish in the > > pet shop. > > > > > > ~Zena > > > > > >
Thanks for the pics Tim. The red has the most stunning dorsal I've
ever seen. Great intense color too! Great balance overall. I'm not
into reds but man, I like that fish.
The other two also have great form and color. The only thing I'd work
on is to balance out the anal fin with the rest of the finnage. It's
a tat too long, just a tat.
How come my bettas hardly ever grow to that caliper?
~Zena.
--- In BettaBreedersCanada@..., "Ian" <ianturkstra@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey Tim, can you send the pics to me too? Email addy should be at
the
> top of this email. thanks,
>
> Ian
>
> --- In BettaBreedersCanada@..., "Tim Arndt" <bettapapa@>
> wrote:
> >
> > What is youe e-mail addy... I'll send them directly.
> > Tim
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Zena
> > To: BettaBreedersCanada@...
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:15 PM
> > Subject: [BettaBreedersCanada] Re: The dilemma on veiltail
bettas
> >
> >
> > The pics aren't showing up in my browser! I want to see your
fish,
> > Tim... :'(
> >
> > I agree, a good HM is by FAR better than any VT, may the VT be
the
> > most perfect of its kind. Since VT was the starting point of HM
> > development in betta history, it would be logical for HM to be
the
> > better specimen given the criteria is that "moon" balance.
> >
> > On the other hand, there are traits such as round or pin tails
that
> > may also be developed out of the same VT. It was just decided
against
> > when the first breeders made the selection of offsprings to
breed
> > back to. Similar to how we now have our crowntails.
> >
> > Look at guppy strains, other than the "delta" which is most
people's
> > aim (kinda like the halfmoon for bettas), breeders have come to
> > develop and appreciate other strains like sword, swallow,
ribbon, pin
> > etc, not unlike the HM, CT, PK varieties that bettas have.
> >
> > And again, they all came from that same plain VT from the LFS
(well,
> > other than the PK of course).
> >
> > ~Zena.
> >
> > ps. Hey Tim...I really would like to meet you in person one
day.
> > When's the next time you'll be down in the Toronto area? Or
better
> > yet, would you wanna do a talk at the Kichener Waterloo fish
club,
> > maybe in November, when their feature show jar fish is
anabantoids?
> >
> > --- In BettaBreedersCanada@..., "Tim Arndt"
> > <bettapapa@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Zena,
> > > If it was your intention to stir up a reaction, you sure did
with
> > me... Veiltails just DON'T cut it!!!
> > > Look at this red male...
> > > I believe that he is the most magnificent betta that I have
ever
> > produced. He carries those full red fins perfectly. He's
totally
> > aggressive and challenges every male and female he encounters.
There
> > are no nicks or worn, rotted spots in his fins and he is full
size.
> > Veiltails just cannot compete with the symmetry, balance and
> > deportment of this fish. The key is to breed HM's with good
> > musculature and full swim bladders so they can carry the extra
fin-
> > weight. Here is another pic of him:
> > >
> > >
> > > If that isn't enough proof, just look at this next fish...
> > >
> > > I call him a red/copper StarBurst! He is a featherfin. See
the
> > feathery extensions on his tail?... a coppery metallic ray
leads out
> > to the tip of almost every one! I hope to establish a line of
this
> > type. This points out another advantage of the halfmoon line...
> > genetic plasticity... lots of variation in both colour and form
which
> > raises the possibility of new types coming along.
> > >
> > >
> > > Would love to hear your comments and everyone else's on these
two
> > fish and my opinion.
> > > Regards,
> > > Tim
> > > ps. here is another featherfin that I have right now :
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Zena
> > > To: BettaBreedersCanada@...
> > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:45 AM
> > > Subject: [BettaBreedersCanada] The dilemma on veiltail bettas
> > >
> > >
> > > I read recently (I think on the IBC forum) about people who
> > disagree
> > > with "halfmoon is the way to go for finnage". They believe
that
> > VTs also
> > > have potential and can be worked with for color/pattern and
> > balance. I
> > > don't know about you, but I personally agree with them. How
would
> > a
> > > balance VT be not better than a HM with such heavy finnage
that
> > he has
> > > to drag himself around?
> > >
> > > Personally, I have nothing against VTs. If and when healthy,
they
> > can be
> > > quite stunning a full of spunk. They also seem to have
slightly
> > more hardy
> > > fins than halfmoons. I don't keep VTs anymore simply because
> > they've
> > > been stamped the "cheap" category, and "blah, who wants to
put a
> > $3 fish
> > > from the petstore beside my $60 HM from Aquabid"...it's not
fair
> > really, but
> > > I can't get out of that mentality :( It's me myself to
blame...
> > >
> > > I'd like to hear anyone's opinion on this. For what it's
worth, I
> > think they
> > > should get honorable mention just because I'd bet that's how
> > everyone in
> > > the betta hobby start out, it's that one little VT fish in
the
> > pet shop.
> > >
> > > ~Zena
> > >
> >
>
Hello Ian,
wow! This is quite embarrassing. I didn't join the group to spam it. I
like to know whats happening in the Betta 'world', so I joined the BBC
yahoo group. I like to be of help in any way I can. If my postings are
not a benefit to the BBC, I am humbly requesting the list owner to
delete my message and forget I ever offered to help.
regards,
J
--- In BettaBreedersCanada@..., "Ian" <ianturkstra@...> wrote:
>
> Javis...
>
> I have only ever seen you post about your site. It seems pretty clear
> (to me at least) that you joined to spam us, and people really are
> just ignoring it.
>
> --- In BettaBreedersCanada@..., "jviswakula"
> <javiswakula@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I have been following the BBC group's discussions about online BBC
> > shows and Forums. Just thought I'd let you know about finvillage.com.
> > Its an Aquarium and Aquaculture hobby, social and business networking
> > website (something like myspace). I recently put in a few unique
> > features targeted at fish clubs such as BBC. The first is that the
> > Groups section has a feature where you can start a closed members only
> > group and the members can upload photographs and Judges can write
> > comments on photographs uploaded as well as give a 1-10 rating. If you
> > want this to be an open group, you can create one as well. Also, there
> > is a password protected auction style stores section where a club can
> > make sales only to its members and the members can either buy stuff
> > the club is selling at a fixed price (eg: Club memberships, entry
> > fees, discounted fish supplies and/or buy the club's auction fish. the
> > groups also has a threaded BB type forum for members to discuss
> > breeding etc.. these features are free to use. If you would like, I
> > can assist you set up a group at finvillage.com. There are a few open
> > groups already set up there. I am inviting you to check it out.
> >
> > As a betta fan, I like to see the BBC grow.
> >
> > Cheers all,
> >
> > Jinen
> >
>
Javis...
I have only ever seen you post about your site. It seems pretty clear
(to me at least) that you joined to spam us, and people really are
just ignoring it.
--- In BettaBreedersCanada@..., "jviswakula"
<javiswakula@...> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have been following the BBC group's discussions about online BBC
> shows and Forums. Just thought I'd let you know about finvillage.com.
> Its an Aquarium and Aquaculture hobby, social and business networking
> website (something like myspace). I recently put in a few unique
> features targeted at fish clubs such as BBC. The first is that the
> Groups section has a feature where you can start a closed members only
> group and the members can upload photographs and Judges can write
> comments on photographs uploaded as well as give a 1-10 rating. If you
> want this to be an open group, you can create one as well. Also, there
> is a password protected auction style stores section where a club can
> make sales only to its members and the members can either buy stuff
> the club is selling at a fixed price (eg: Club memberships, entry
> fees, discounted fish supplies and/or buy the club's auction fish. the
> groups also has a threaded BB type forum for members to discuss
> breeding etc.. these features are free to use. If you would like, I
> can assist you set up a group at finvillage.com. There are a few open
> groups already set up there. I am inviting you to check it out.
>
> As a betta fan, I like to see the BBC grow.
>
> Cheers all,
>
> Jinen
>
Hey Tim, can you send the pics to me too? Email addy should be at the
top of this email. thanks,
Ian
--- In BettaBreedersCanada@..., "Tim Arndt" <bettapapa@...>
wrote:
>
> What is youe e-mail addy... I'll send them directly.
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Zena
> To: BettaBreedersCanada@...
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:15 PM
> Subject: [BettaBreedersCanada] Re: The dilemma on veiltail bettas
>
>
> The pics aren't showing up in my browser! I want to see your fish,
> Tim... :'(
>
> I agree, a good HM is by FAR better than any VT, may the VT be the
> most perfect of its kind. Since VT was the starting point of HM
> development in betta history, it would be logical for HM to be the
> better specimen given the criteria is that "moon" balance.
>
> On the other hand, there are traits such as round or pin tails that
> may also be developed out of the same VT. It was just decided against
> when the first breeders made the selection of offsprings to breed
> back to. Similar to how we now have our crowntails.
>
> Look at guppy strains, other than the "delta" which is most people's
> aim (kinda like the halfmoon for bettas), breeders have come to
> develop and appreciate other strains like sword, swallow, ribbon, pin
> etc, not unlike the HM, CT, PK varieties that bettas have.
>
> And again, they all came from that same plain VT from the LFS (well,
> other than the PK of course).
>
> ~Zena.
>
> ps. Hey Tim...I really would like to meet you in person one day.
> When's the next time you'll be down in the Toronto area? Or better
> yet, would you wanna do a talk at the Kichener Waterloo fish club,
> maybe in November, when their feature show jar fish is anabantoids?
>
> --- In BettaBreedersCanada@..., "Tim Arndt"
> <bettapapa@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Zena,
> > If it was your intention to stir up a reaction, you sure did with
> me... Veiltails just DON'T cut it!!!
> > Look at this red male...
> > I believe that he is the most magnificent betta that I have ever
> produced. He carries those full red fins perfectly. He's totally
> aggressive and challenges every male and female he encounters. There
> are no nicks or worn, rotted spots in his fins and he is full size.
> Veiltails just cannot compete with the symmetry, balance and
> deportment of this fish. The key is to breed HM's with good
> musculature and full swim bladders so they can carry the extra fin-
> weight. Here is another pic of him:
> >
> >
> > If that isn't enough proof, just look at this next fish...
> >
> > I call him a red/copper StarBurst! He is a featherfin. See the
> feathery extensions on his tail?... a coppery metallic ray leads out
> to the tip of almost every one! I hope to establish a line of this
> type. This points out another advantage of the halfmoon line...
> genetic plasticity... lots of variation in both colour and form which
> raises the possibility of new types coming along.
> >
> >
> > Would love to hear your comments and everyone else's on these two
> fish and my opinion.
> > Regards,
> > Tim
> > ps. here is another featherfin that I have right now :
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Zena
> > To: BettaBreedersCanada@...
> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:45 AM
> > Subject: [BettaBreedersCanada] The dilemma on veiltail bettas
> >
> >
> > I read recently (I think on the IBC forum) about people who
> disagree
> > with "halfmoon is the way to go for finnage". They believe that
> VTs also
> > have potential and can be worked with for color/pattern and
> balance. I
> > don't know about you, but I personally agree with them. How would
> a
> > balance VT be not better than a HM with such heavy finnage that
> he has
> > to drag himself around?
> >
> > Personally, I have nothing against VTs. If and when healthy, they
> can be
> > quite stunning a full of spunk. They also seem to have slightly
> more hardy
> > fins than halfmoons. I don't keep VTs anymore simply because
> they've
> > been stamped the "cheap" category, and "blah, who wants to put a
> $3 fish
> > from the petstore beside my $60 HM from Aquabid"...it's not fair
> really, but
> > I can't get out of that mentality :( It's me myself to blame...
> >
> > I'd like to hear anyone's opinion on this. For what it's worth, I
> think they
> > should get honorable mention just because I'd bet that's how
> everyone in
> > the betta hobby start out, it's that one little VT fish in the
> pet shop.
> >
> > ~Zena
> >
>
Hello All,
I have been following the BBC group's discussions about online BBC
shows and Forums. Just thought I'd let you know about finvillage.com.
Its an Aquarium and Aquaculture hobby, social and business networking
website (something like myspace). I recently put in a few unique
features targeted at fish clubs such as BBC. The first is that the
Groups section has a feature where you can start a closed members only
group and the members can upload photographs and Judges can write
comments on photographs uploaded as well as give a 1-10 rating. If you
want this to be an open group, you can create one as well. Also, there
is a password protected auction style stores section where a club can
make sales only to its members and the members can either buy stuff
the club is selling at a fixed price (eg: Club memberships, entry
fees, discounted fish supplies and/or buy the club's auction fish. the
groups also has a threaded BB type forum for members to discuss
breeding etc.. these features are free to use. If you would like, I
can assist you set up a group at finvillage.com. There are a few open
groups already set up there. I am inviting you to check it out.
As a betta fan, I like to see the BBC grow.
Cheers all,
Jinen
I second that motion!
--- In BettaBreedersCanada@..., "Zena" <zenafish@...> wrote:
>
> Shall we move from this yahoo message group to an actual threaded
> forum? It might look more professional and better organized.
>
> ~Zena.
>
Subject: [BettaBreedersCanada] Re: The dilemma on veiltail bettas
The pics aren't showing up in my browser! I want to see your fish, Tim... :'(
I agree, a good HM is by FAR better than any VT, may the VT be the most perfect of its kind. Since VT was the starting point of HM development in betta history, it would be logical for HM to be the better specimen given the criteria is that "moon" balance.
On the other hand, there are traits such as round or pin tails that may also be developed out of the same VT. It was just decided against when the first breeders made the selection of offsprings to breed back to. Similar to how we now have our crowntails.
Look at guppy strains, other than the "delta" which is most people's aim (kinda like the halfmoon for bettas), breeders have come to develop and appreciate other strains like sword, swallow, ribbon, pin etc, not unlike the HM, CT, PK varieties that bettas have.
And again, they all came from that same plain VT from the LFS (well, other than the PK of course).
~Zena.
ps. Hey Tim...I really would like to meet you in person one day. When's the next time you'll be down in the Toronto area? Or better yet, would you wanna do a talk at the Kichener Waterloo fish club, maybe in November, when their feature show jar fish is anabantoids?
--- In BettaBreedersCanada@yahoogroups.ca, "Tim Arndt" <bettapapa@...> wrote: > > Hey Zena, > If it was your intention to stir up a reaction, you sure did with me... Veiltails just DON'T cut it!!! > Look at this red male... > I believe that he is the most magnificent betta that I have ever produced. He carries those full red fins perfectly. He's totally aggressive and challenges every male and female he encounters. There are no nicks or worn, rotted spots in his fins and he is full size. Veiltails just cannot compete with the symmetry, balance and deportment of this fish. The key is to breed HM's with good musculature and full swim bladders so they can carry the extra fin- weight. Here is another pic of him: > > > If that isn't enough proof, just look at this next fish... > > I call him a red/copper StarBurst! He is a featherfin. See the feathery extensions on his tail?... a coppery metallic ray leads out to the tip of almost every one! I hope to establish a line of this type. This points out another advantage of the halfmoon line... genetic plasticity... lots of variation in both colour and form which raises the possibility of new types coming along. > > > Would love to hear your comments and everyone else's on these two fish and my opinion. > Regards, > Tim > ps. here is another featherfin that I have right now : > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Zena > To: BettaBreedersCanada@yahoogroups.ca > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:45 AM > Subject: [BettaBreedersCanada] The dilemma on veiltail bettas > > > I read recently (I think on the IBC forum) about people who disagree > with "halfmoon is the way to go for finnage". They believe that VTs also > have potential and can be worked with for color/pattern and balance. I > don't know about you, but I personally agree with them. How would a > balance VT be not better than a HM with such heavy finnage that he has > to drag himself around? > > Personally, I have nothing against VTs. If and when healthy, they can be > quite stunning a full of spunk. They also seem to have slightly more hardy > fins than halfmoons. I don't keep VTs anymore simply because they've > been stamped the "cheap" category, and "blah, who wants to put a $3 fish > from the petstore beside my $60 HM from Aquabid"...it's not fair really, but > I can't get out of that mentality :( It's me myself to blame... > > I'd like to hear anyone's opinion on this. For what it's worth, I think they > should get honorable mention just because I'd bet that's how everyone in > the betta hobby start out, it's that one little VT fish in the pet shop. > > ~Zena >
Subject: [BettaBreedersCanada] Re: The dilemma on veiltail bettas
The pics aren't showing up in my browser! I want to see your fish, Tim... :'(
I agree, a good HM is by FAR better than any VT, may the VT be the most perfect of its kind. Since VT was the starting point of HM development in betta history, it would be logical for HM to be the better specimen given the criteria is that "moon" balance.
On the other hand, there are traits such as round or pin tails that may also be developed out of the same VT. It was just decided against when the first breeders made the selection of offsprings to breed back to. Similar to how we now have our crowntails.
Look at guppy strains, other than the "delta" which is most people's aim (kinda like the halfmoon for bettas), breeders have come to develop and appreciate other strains like sword, swallow, ribbon, pin etc, not unlike the HM, CT, PK varieties that bettas have.
And again, they all came from that same plain VT from the LFS (well, other than the PK of course).
~Zena.
ps. Hey Tim...I really would like to meet you in person one day. When's the next time you'll be down in the Toronto area? Or better yet, would you wanna do a talk at the Kichener Waterloo fish club, maybe in November, when their feature show jar fish is anabantoids?
--- In BettaBreedersCanada@yahoogroups.ca, "Tim Arndt" <bettapapa@...> wrote: > > Hey Zena, > If it was your intention to stir up a reaction, you sure did with me... Veiltails just DON'T cut it!!! > Look at this red male... > I believe that he is the most magnificent betta that I have ever produced. He carries those full red fins perfectly. He's totally aggressive and challenges every male and female he encounters. There are no nicks or worn, rotted spots in his fins and he is full size. Veiltails just cannot compete with the symmetry, balance and deportment of this fish. The key is to breed HM's with good musculature and full swim bladders so they can carry the extra fin- weight. Here is another pic of him: > > > If that isn't enough proof, just look at this next fish... > > I call him a red/copper StarBurst! He is a featherfin. See the feathery extensions on his tail?... a coppery metallic ray leads out to the tip of almost every one! I hope to establish a line of this type. This points out another advantage of the halfmoon line... genetic plasticity... lots of variation in both colour and form which raises the possibility of new types coming along. > > > Would love to hear your comments and everyone else's on these two fish and my opinion. > Regards, > Tim > ps. here is another featherfin that I have right now : > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Zena > To: BettaBreedersCanada@yahoogroups.ca > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:45 AM > Subject: [BettaBreedersCanada] The dilemma on veiltail bettas > > > I read recently (I think on the IBC forum) about people who disagree > with "halfmoon is the way to go for finnage". They believe that VTs also > have potential and can be worked with for color/pattern and balance. I > don't know about you, but I personally agree with them. How would a > balance VT be not better than a HM with such heavy finnage that he has > to drag himself around? > > Personally, I have nothing against VTs. If and when healthy, they can be > quite stunning a full of spunk. They also seem to have slightly more hardy > fins than halfmoons. I don't keep VTs anymore simply because they've > been stamped the "cheap" category, and "blah, who wants to put a $3 fish > from the petstore beside my $60 HM from Aquabid"...it's not fair really, but > I can't get out of that mentality :( It's me myself to blame... > > I'd like to hear anyone's opinion on this. For what it's worth, I think they > should get honorable mention just because I'd bet that's how everyone in > the betta hobby start out, it's that one little VT fish in the pet shop. > > ~Zena >
The pics aren't showing up in my browser! I want to see your fish,
Tim... :'(
I agree, a good HM is by FAR better than any VT, may the VT be the
most perfect of its kind. Since VT was the starting point of HM
development in betta history, it would be logical for HM to be the
better specimen given the criteria is that "moon" balance.
On the other hand, there are traits such as round or pin tails that
may also be developed out of the same VT. It was just decided against
when the first breeders made the selection of offsprings to breed
back to. Similar to how we now have our crowntails.
Look at guppy strains, other than the "delta" which is most people's
aim (kinda like the halfmoon for bettas), breeders have come to
develop and appreciate other strains like sword, swallow, ribbon, pin
etc, not unlike the HM, CT, PK varieties that bettas have.
And again, they all came from that same plain VT from the LFS (well,
other than the PK of course).
~Zena.
ps. Hey Tim...I really would like to meet you in person one day.
When's the next time you'll be down in the Toronto area? Or better
yet, would you wanna do a talk at the Kichener Waterloo fish club,
maybe in November, when their feature show jar fish is anabantoids?
--- In BettaBreedersCanada@..., "Tim Arndt"
<bettapapa@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Zena,
> If it was your intention to stir up a reaction, you sure did with
me... Veiltails just DON'T cut it!!!
> Look at this red male...
> I believe that he is the most magnificent betta that I have ever
produced. He carries those full red fins perfectly. He's totally
aggressive and challenges every male and female he encounters. There
are no nicks or worn, rotted spots in his fins and he is full size.
Veiltails just cannot compete with the symmetry, balance and
deportment of this fish. The key is to breed HM's with good
musculature and full swim bladders so they can carry the extra fin-
weight. Here is another pic of him:
>
>
> If that isn't enough proof, just look at this next fish...
>
> I call him a red/copper StarBurst! He is a featherfin. See the
feathery extensions on his tail?... a coppery metallic ray leads out
to the tip of almost every one! I hope to establish a line of this
type. This points out another advantage of the halfmoon line...
genetic plasticity... lots of variation in both colour and form which
raises the possibility of new types coming along.
>
>
> Would love to hear your comments and everyone else's on these two
fish and my opinion.
> Regards,
> Tim
> ps. here is another featherfin that I have right now :
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Zena
> To: BettaBreedersCanada@...
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:45 AM
> Subject: [BettaBreedersCanada] The dilemma on veiltail bettas
>
>
> I read recently (I think on the IBC forum) about people who
disagree
> with "halfmoon is the way to go for finnage". They believe that
VTs also
> have potential and can be worked with for color/pattern and
balance. I
> don't know about you, but I personally agree with them. How would
a
> balance VT be not better than a HM with such heavy finnage that
he has
> to drag himself around?
>
> Personally, I have nothing against VTs. If and when healthy, they
can be
> quite stunning a full of spunk. They also seem to have slightly
more hardy
> fins than halfmoons. I don't keep VTs anymore simply because
they've
> been stamped the "cheap" category, and "blah, who wants to put a
$3 fish
> from the petstore beside my $60 HM from Aquabid"...it's not fair
really, but
> I can't get out of that mentality :( It's me myself to blame...
>
> I'd like to hear anyone's opinion on this. For what it's worth, I
think they
> should get honorable mention just because I'd bet that's how
everyone in
> the betta hobby start out, it's that one little VT fish in the
pet shop.
>
> ~Zena
>
I tend to aggree...VTs are nice starter pets, but I think we have moved beyond that.
-Kim
Tim Arndt <bettapapa@...> wrote:
Hey Zena,
If it was your intention to stir up a reaction, you sure did with me... Veiltails just DON'T cut it!!!
Look at this red male...
I believe that he is the most magnificent betta that I have ever produced. He carries those full red fins perfectly. He's totally aggressive and challenges every male and female he encounters. There are no nicks or worn, rotted spots in his fins and he is full size. Veiltails just cannot compete with the symmetry, balance and deportment of this fish. The key is to breed HM's with good musculature and full swim bladders so they can carry the extra fin-weight. Here is another pic of him:
If that isn't enough proof, just look at this next fish...
I call him a red/copper StarBurst! He is a featherfin. See the feathery extensions on his tail?... a coppery metallic ray leads out to the tip of almost every one! I hope to establish a line of this type. This points out another advantage of the halfmoon line... genetic plasticity... lots of variation in both colour and form which raises the possibility of new types coming along.
Would love to hear your comments and everyone else's on these two fish and my opinion.
Regards,
Tim
ps. here is another featherfin that I have right now :
Subject: [BettaBreedersCanada] The dilemma on veiltail bettas
I read recently (I think on the IBC forum) about
people who disagree with "halfmoon is the way to go for finnage". They believe that VTs also have potential and can be worked with for color/pattern and balance. I don't know about you, but I personally agree with them. How would a balance VT be not better than a HM with such heavy finnage that he has to drag himself around?
Personally, I have nothing against VTs. If and when healthy, they can be quite stunning a full of spunk. They also seem to have slightly more hardy fins than halfmoons. I don't keep VTs anymore simply because they've been stamped the "cheap" category, and "blah, who wants to put a $3 fish from the petstore beside my $60 HM from Aquabid"...it's not fair really, but I can't get out of that mentality :( It's me myself to blame...
I'd like to hear anyone's opinion on this. For what it's worth, I think they should get honorable mention just because I'd bet that's how everyone in the betta
hobby start out, it's that one little VT fish in the pet shop.
I dont think I can. You may have to download some sort of version of "word viewer" or somthing of that nature.
Laura Bissonnette <lbissonn@...> wrote:
Hey Kim, would you be able to upload this in .doc format? Old versions of MS word don't recognize docx.
-Laura
--- In BettaBreedersCanada@yahoogroups.ca, "BayCityBettas" <baycitybettas@...> wrote: > > Ok, I finished a little poster for our membership drive. If eveyone
> could download and commit to hanging 3 posters in their local LFS, > School, library, grocery store etc...it would be great. Remember to cut > between the web addresses. Please get permission before posting. > > If we all put a bit of effort in we can cover some serious territory > and boost our numbers for sure! > > -Kim >
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