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  • Peter Venton
    13 Nov, 2017

      Don,

      The money system is dealt with by a wealth tax and the reduction in monetary wealth as opposed to real wealth.  The wealth tax reduces useless dead money and recycles some of it back into the real economy for investment in renewables that substitute for fossil fuels.  The biggest way to reduce population growth in the poor countries is to increase foreign aid from the rich counties to 1% of GDP – as they promised to do but reneged on it.  For logical reasons which I do not have time to go into, the poor have much higher birth rates than the affluent.  Intrinsic values of land and natural resources are set by the government to replace market prices so as to correct for market failure.  Speculation (gambling) with money is taxed so the “democractic house” always wins.      

       

      Meantime wealth redistribution reduces the huge carbon imprint of the well to do.  The problem is not the money system per se but the market price system and inequality in the distribution of wealth’ which, by definition undemocratic.  As Louis Brandeis said it seven decades ago “You can have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few or you can have democracy but you cannot have both”.   

       

      In democracy, one of the elements of the common good (perhaps the paramount element) is the survival of the planet – or more particularly the survival of the human species.  In this light, population control/reduction would be an element of the common good.  The focus of the universal, egalitarian public educations system (as in Norway) is on the philosophy of the common good and the related instruments for its achievement – not training for future jobs and technology that promises progress without people.  Among other things, it teaches about ecology, population, economics, politics and participation in democratic discourse for what Immanuel Kant described as an enlightened species for perpetual peace. The overall issue in the democratic education system might be “If we do not hang together, we shall certainly hang separately”.           

       

      How does your money system work better than that?       

       

      Peter  

       

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      That's an interesting review. 

      Regarding this quote: <<Klein explains a closely-related point, namely that democracy must be suspended for neoliberal capitalism to prevail: In his book Capitalism and Freedom, Milton Friedman presented human liberation and market liberation as flip sides of the same coin. Nobel Prize-winning economist, Joseph Stiglitz labelled them as “market fundamentalism” (137).  In her 2007 book, Shock Doctrine, Klein argues that this extreme form of capitalism (i.e., neoliberalism) can only be implemented when democracy is suspended. >>

      I quite agree with the point - that democracy and neoliberal capitalism cannot fit in the same box.   But in my view, the money system, and those who control it, represent roots and brains of neoliberal capitalism.   So I find it ironic that the Leap Manifesto does not appear to address the money system.  (no bell for the cat!)   Nor does it the population overshoot issue.

      Nevertheless, from the description of the Leap Manifesto, the values and scope of initiatives appear to align very closely with the thoughts behind Blue Planet Governance. 
      Don



      On 2017-11-12 11:03 PM, 'Peter Venton' peter.venton@... [gaiapc] wrote:

       

      Hi Don,

       

      Thanks for this. I have attached a much lengthier review of Klein’s book. 

       

      The Canadian Leap movement is progressive, not just left.  The reviewer got the main point that addressing climate change would “detonates the ideological scaffolding on which contemporary conservatism (i.e. neoliberalist capitalist project) stands.  He did not list the Leap’s policies at the end of the book of doubling the minimum wage, free college tuition and medicare  - all part of Bernie Sanders’ progressive manifesto.  He did not note the list of taxes on pages 246-247 that make the Leap affordable.  The reviewer questions how we can achieve such radical demans while confined within the logic of markets.  The point of the Leap policies is that all of them correct for market failures that most students of economics  have understood for at least seven decades. Really.

      For a proposal for the development of a progressive manifesto, see my chapter “Manifesto for a Movement Progressive” in  the Cambridge Scholars 2017 volume “Peace Issues in the 21st Century Global Context” by Shreesh Juyal and John Duncan (eds) pp. 353-376.       

       

      Regards

      Peter

       

          

       

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      The review of Naomi Klein's new book is interesting.

      Don



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