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  • Steve Kurtz
    23 Nov, 2017
      Thanks for sharing the response, Helmut. He seems balanced and his criticism re grants is legitimate. In the US most pressures re research grants are from corporations and industry group associations. (not the US govt)


      On Nov 21, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Helmut L helmut.lubbers@... [gaiapc] <gaiapc@...> wrote:

      Steve, gaiapc list,

      I asked a good NZ friend, who is a very experienced, senior journalist at the NZHerald.
      Further down is his noteworthy reply.

      I don't intend making a study of political correctness in other countries. I lived in NZ for almost seven years intermittantly between 1987 and 2000. 

      I wrote about my knowledge of European countries. Anglo-Saxons are different, in my view and experience.

      Helmut L

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      Thanks for your email; it’s always good to hear from you!

      There is some truth in what Paul Moon and others say about the pressure to conform to liberal orthodoxies in the university system. Certainly I was appalled at the Auckland University students’ vote to deregister an anti-abortion group on campus, although they did subsequently rescind that decision and allow the group to continue. I think the more worrying pressures in universities are around not upsetting the authorities who control the research grants – I have seen examples where academics decided not to criticise university policies publicly for that reason. There are also pressures to pass students for financial reasons – so that the universities get their fees again the next year. We do need to be constantly vigilant about all these things because they are in the nature of big bureaucratic systems.

      This is a story which may be relevant about “hate speech” laws concerning a pastor who said homosexual people who marry should be shot:


      Personally I think even such extreme speech should be tolerated in a free society, and I’m glad that no party has picked up the calls for a specific law against hate speech.

      With best wishes, keep up the good work,

      [A quote from the article: " Police have decided not to take any action against a West Auckland pastor who said gay people should be shot "through their head the moment they kiss".]

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      Hello ...,

      Is this really a problem in NZ or is it jumping on the band wagon of trend news (USA)?

      Kia ora ... Helmut
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      On 19/11/2017, Steve Kurtz kurtzs@... [gaiapc] <gaiapc@...> wrote:
      > This has been going on in NZ for some years. I can find evidence from other
      > countries if there are other doubters.
      >> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11838436
      >> <http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11838436>
      > Steve
      >> On Nov 19, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Helmut L helmut.lubbers@... [gaiapc]
      >> <gaiapc@...> wrote:
      >> Thanks, Jada, Richard.
      >> I have little knowledge of Political Correctness in the USofA.
      >> In Germany (and other countries) intolerance is rife on Facebook, with
      >> horrible (sexist) hatespeech). In everyday life it's mainly the
      >> pro-Erdogan Turks who are very intolerant. Turkish-descend politicians and
      >> media people need and get police protection. A horror. Why not boycott
      >> Erdogan dictatorial country, close the borders? The anti-immigrantion
      >> party in former GDR laender are pretty violent as well.
      >> In Switzerland, Germany, The Netherlands, and other West-European
      >> countries freedom of speech is a given. There's no police at universities.
      >> Campuses are few. Often university departments are spread ouf over the
      >> city. Haven't heard of free speech problems in NZ and Australia.
      >> In Poland andHungary the regimes arelibertycidal. The EU threatened to cut
      >> funding if anti-democratic laws are not repealed.
      >> Marjorie, the enemy *is* "large scale", and *capitalism*. Marx was very
      >> successful indeed, albeit not the various communist (*not* socialist)
      >> countries.
      >> Cuba is/was certainly no holy land from a human rights' perspective, but
      >> socially they did remarkably well, despite USAmerican bullying with docile
      >> W.-Europen compliance.
      >> HL
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      >> www.ecoglobe.ch/requiem <http://www.ecoglobe.ch/requiem>
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