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15764Re: [gaiapc] Life's building blocks observed in spacelike environment

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  • Helmut L
    13 Dec, 2017
      If you don't find it a "strech" then kindly explain why.

      "Nick called the journalists words a stretch.. (the judgement of
      “stretch” was Nick’s.)"


      On 13/12/2017, Steve Kurtz kurtzs@... [gaiapc] <gaiapc@...> wrote:
      > The full study and supporting data for the article is here: (freely
      > available)
      > http://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.5003898
      > <http://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.5003898>
      >
      > Nick called the journalists words a stretch. (the judgement of “stretch” was
      > Nick’s.) That is often the case with journalist short articles, but the
      > study is detailed and exploratory. Science is about hypotheses and theories
      > which are contingent and not absolute truth. Does Nick have a proposed
      > better explanation for the emergence of life forms? What was the point of
      > pooh-poohing the study?
      >
      >>>>> It's a stretch to call these mollelculles they actually did see "lfe's
      >>>>> building blocks," and all they concluded was "it is possible that
      >>>>> life's building blocks might have been made through chemical reactions
      >>>>> induced by secondary electrons on icy surfaces in space exposed to any
      >>>>> form of ionizing radiation".
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >
      > Steve
      >
      >
      >> On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:43 PM, Don Chisholm donchism@... [gaiapc]
      >> <gaiapc@...> wrote:
      >>
      >>
      >> Steve, Nick's opinion was that his quote was found in the article. His
      >> supporting data would be the article.
      >> ... Just sayin....
      >> Don
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> On 2017-12-12 8:24 PM, Steve Kurtz kurtzs@... <mailto:kurtzs@...>
      >> [gaiapc] wrote:
      >>>
      >>> Nick,
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> Is that just your opinion or do you have supporting data?
      >>>
      >>> Steve
      >>>
      >>>> On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:05 PM, 'narguimbau@...
      >>>> <mailto:narguimbau@...>' narguimbau@...
      >>>> <mailto:narguimbau@...> [gaiapc] <gaiapc@...
      >>>> <mailto:gaiapc@...>> wrote:
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>> Here's a quotation from the article itself:
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>> "The research group found that a variety of small organic molecules were
      >>>> produced in icy films subjected to LEEs. Propylene, ethane and acetylene
      >>>> were all formed in films of frozen methane. When a frozen mixture of
      >>>> methane and oxygen was irradiated with LEEs, they found direct evidence
      >>>> that ethanol was formed.
      >>>>
      >>>> Indirect evidence for many other small organic molecules, including
      >>>> methanol, acetic acid and formaldehyde was found. In addition, both
      >>>> X-rays and LEEs produced similar results, although at different rates.
      >>>> Thus, it is possible that life's building blocks might have been made
      >>>> through chemical reactions induced by secondary electrons on icy
      >>>> surfaces in space exposed to any form of ionizing radiation".
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>> It's a stretch to call these mollelculles they actually did see "lfe's
      >>>> building blocks," and all they concluded was "it is possible that life's
      >>>> building blocks might have been made through chemical reactions induced
      >>>> by secondary electrons on icy surfaces in space exposed to any form of
      >>>> ionizing radiation".
      >>>>
      >>>> "
      >>>>
      >>>> On 12/12/2017 4:01 PM, Steve Kurtz kurtzs@... <mailto:kurtzs@...>
      >>>> [gaiapc] wrote:
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Emergence is awe inspiring!
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Steve
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/12/171212125443.htm
      >>>>>> <https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/12/171212125443.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Ftop_news%2Ftop_science+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Top+Science+News%29>
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>> —————————————
      >>>>> Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.
      >>>>> Voltaire (1770)
      >>>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>
      >>> —————————————
      >>> Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.
      >>> Voltaire (1770)
      >>>
      >>
      >> --
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      > —————————————
      > Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.
      > Voltaire (1770)
      >
      >


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